Comments on: Stache-Off: 1984 Tigers vs. 1986 Mets http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/ The internet leader in encouraging David Wright to grow a mustache since 2009. Because naked lips don't win championships. Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:14:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mark http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-18778 Mark Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:55:25 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-18778 "‘86 Mets: .263, 783 runs, 148 HR ‘84 Tigers: .271, 829 runs, 187 HR Mean differential. AL league average: 648 runs. NL average: 604. ‘84 Tigers’ distance from mean: 181. ‘86 Mets: 225." Actually... Tigers v. AL average=829-648=181 run differential. Mets v. NL average=783-604=179 run differential. The Tigers had a better run differential by 2 runs. That being said, they still did not have a player named Keith Hernandez playing first base... “‘86 Mets: .263, 783 runs, 148 HR

‘84 Tigers: .271, 829 runs, 187 HR

Mean differential.

AL league average: 648 runs.

NL average: 604.

‘84 Tigers’ distance from mean: 181.

‘86 Mets: 225.”
Actually…
Tigers v. AL average=829-648=181 run differential.
Mets v. NL average=783-604=179 run differential.

The Tigers had a better run differential by 2 runs. That being said, they still did not have a player named Keith Hernandez playing first base…

]]> By: I Love Nerd York City http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-212 I Love Nerd York City Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:47:51 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-212 Ok Misopogon, I guess fielding was a big difference...if you look at FRAA (Baseball Prospectus's Fielding Runs Above Average...considers range factor, etc compared the the league average at that position), HoJo can't shine Mr. Brookens's shoes. While playing 3B, Mr. Brookens was essentially a league average 3B. Over almost 1100 career games at the hot corner, he saved a total of 6 runs with his glove that the average 3B would have not have contributed. HoJo, on the other hand, in the same number of games, performed 59 runs BELOW what the average 3B would have given the Mets. Is this enough to offset the offensive disparity? I dont know. But either way, they're both lagging way behind Mike Schmidt in offense, defense, and facial hair: http://autographedpc.home.att.net/TTM/images/mike_schmidt.gif Ok Misopogon, I guess fielding was a big difference…if you look at FRAA (Baseball Prospectus’s Fielding Runs Above Average…considers range factor, etc compared the the league average at that position), HoJo can’t shine Mr. Brookens’s shoes.

While playing 3B, Mr. Brookens was essentially a league average 3B. Over almost 1100 career games at the hot corner, he saved a total of 6 runs with his glove that the average 3B would have not have contributed.

HoJo, on the other hand, in the same number of games, performed 59 runs BELOW what the average 3B would have given the Mets.

Is this enough to offset the offensive disparity? I dont know. But either way, they’re both lagging way behind Mike Schmidt in offense, defense, and facial hair:
http://autographedpc.home.att.net/TTM/images/mike_schmidt.gif

]]> By: Teufel Stubble http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Teufel Stubble Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:16 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-211 You mean these West Michigan Whitecaps and their giant hamburgers? http://www.mlive.com/whitecaps/index.ssf/2009/04/dave_raczkowski_the_grand.html I give you my utmost respect. You mean these West Michigan Whitecaps and their giant hamburgers?

http://www.mlive.com/whitecaps/index.ssf/2009/04/dave_raczkowski_the_grand.html

I give you my utmost respect.

]]> By: Misopogon http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Misopogon Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:19:28 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-208 P.S. The link is apparently being all Lastings Milledge so here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Tom_Brookens_Whitecaps.jpg P.S. The link is apparently being all Lastings Milledge so here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Tom_Brookens_Whitecaps.jpg

]]> By: Misopogon http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-207 Misopogon Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:12:36 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-207 Ah, yes, but then again Tommy Brookens was a huge fan favorite for all those years. And not only is he still with the organization as manager of the West Michigan Whitecaps (A), but his <a>now fully matured stache</a> is the header of this entire post! At the time, HoJo had only played one full season, hitting .248. Johnson's defense at 3rd was meh at a time when the hot corner was considered of major defensive importance. Brookens' fielding percentage doesn't reflect his range -- he'd make some SICK plays that pretty much no other AL 3rd baseman could get to. So we shipped Johnson for Walt Terrell (stached), who became a stalwart in our rotation for about the same length of time that HoJo bounced around the New York infield (and gave out hot feet). Ultimately, I think the trade worked out for both teams, and I'm more proud that the Motor City kitties were able to contribute such a key cog to the '86 Amazins than resentful over losing him. Ah, yes, but then again Tommy Brookens was a huge fan favorite for all those years. And not only is he still with the organization as manager of the West Michigan Whitecaps (A), but his now fully matured stache is the header of this entire post!

At the time, HoJo had only played one full season, hitting .248. Johnson’s defense at 3rd was meh at a time when the hot corner was considered of major defensive importance. Brookens’ fielding percentage doesn’t reflect his range — he’d make some SICK plays that pretty much no other AL 3rd baseman could get to. So we shipped Johnson for Walt Terrell (stached), who became a stalwart in our rotation for about the same length of time that HoJo bounced around the New York infield (and gave out hot feet).

Ultimately, I think the trade worked out for both teams, and I’m more proud that the Motor City kitties were able to contribute such a key cog to the ‘86 Amazins than resentful over losing him.

]]> By: Week in Wreview | The Wright Stache http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-206 Week in Wreview | The Wright Stache Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:46:14 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-206 [...] Saw the 1986 Mets win a  Stache-Off against the 1984 Tigers. [...] [...] Saw the 1986 Mets win a  Stache-Off against the 1984 Tigers. [...]

]]> By: I Love Nerd York City http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-201 I Love Nerd York City Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:57:08 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-201 Interesting to read that HoJo was actually traded to make playing time for Tom Brookens, whose bare-knuckled-boxer looking 'stache was featured on one of our first nerd cards. Facial hair aside, this has got to be one of the worst decisions in baseball history. From '86 through '91, HoJo put up adjusted OPS+ numbers of 118, 133, 124, 169, 106, and 145!!! Also had a career fielding percentage of .940. Brookens, on the other hand, was 30 years old in 1984, and was out of baseball after 1990. In the meantime, his OPS+ numbers were 94, 77, 84, 80, 89, 71, and 90. That means that in his BEST YEAR, he was 6% WORSE THAN THE LEAGUE AVERAGE 3RD BASEMAN. And it wasn't like he was Ozzie Smith. His .943 carrer fielding percentage barely eclipses HoJo's. Besides the facial hair, HoJo mops the floor with Brookens. Interesting to read that HoJo was actually traded to make playing time for Tom Brookens, whose bare-knuckled-boxer looking ’stache was featured on one of our first nerd cards.

Facial hair aside, this has got to be one of the worst decisions in baseball history. From ‘86 through ‘91, HoJo put up adjusted OPS+ numbers of 118, 133, 124, 169, 106, and 145!!! Also had a career fielding percentage of .940.

Brookens, on the other hand, was 30 years old in 1984, and was out of baseball after 1990. In the meantime, his OPS+ numbers were 94, 77, 84, 80, 89, 71, and 90. That means that in his BEST YEAR, he was 6% WORSE THAN THE LEAGUE AVERAGE 3RD BASEMAN. And it wasn’t like he was Ozzie Smith. His .943 carrer fielding percentage barely eclipses HoJo’s.

Besides the facial hair, HoJo mops the floor with Brookens.

]]> By: Tom Stanley http://www.thewrightstache.com/2009/04/10/stache-off-84-tigers-vs-86-mets/comment-page-1/#comment-200 Tom Stanley Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:45:04 +0000 http://www.thewrightstache.com/?p=999#comment-200 I was on Yahoo and found your blog. Read a few of your other posts. Good work. I am looking forward to reading more from you in the future. Tom Stanley I was on Yahoo and found your blog. Read a few of your other posts. Good work. I am looking forward to reading more from you in the future.

Tom Stanley

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